"there's no such thing as "reintegrating within society", there's a reason why heinous criminals get death penalty, some people are simply incapable of change"

I quite disagree with a statement taking the conclusion "death penalty exists", and extrapolating from it that people are incapable of changing. What horseshit. Then again, I'm biased for rehabilitation.

Could we not confuse 8600 people, men, women and children with varying personalities and ideas, with one asshole, who is the emperor? That latter guy is an idiot and I won't shed any tears if he dies. But at least a significant number of the others are guaranteed to had nothing to do with this plan of his, and they do not deserve this sort of collective punishment that's barely better than death. Both sides are goddamn extremists in this story, seriously. :/

And this is where compassion during wartime gets you, folks.

Scientist man was right, turns out

He was right all along, people who would bring the end of the world about for their own gain because they were certain they'd survive it are not to be trusted.

@bloodysorcerer There are a few things wrong with what you're saying. First being that you're under the assumption that I'm saying Licorice made a 'bad decision'. I'm stating that her decision was a 'duck move' because the condition she left teh team in. Not because any harm that came to them. I'm not attributing any of the damage done to her. I'm saying that she could've tried to negotiate a situation where she didn't have to actually -leave- the ship. Because leaving the ship meant the MC and crew would likely die if the shield failed again. Secondly, you're acting as if I am not already saying Asebi's father is making bad decisions. One person making bad decisions doesn't make it so no one else's decisions are bad, in fact it's possible for everyone to be making bad decisions.

The combat automatons are a separate point, that I'm kinda 50-50 with you on. We have to remember that Guardians are well above average humans in physical ability, so much so that even the combat class are surprised by their ability, implying that Waldecians were not able to reach this level of physical prowess. However I do agree that there should've been no problem getting rid of the problem people long ago. Especially since it seems like the Combat bots never actually showed up at the facility in an aggressive manner until now.

@WillLi "Licorice could've made a deal to hold Asebi hostage, peacefully, and have the rest of the group escort her to Brant to put a stop the the plan."
But that's was what she tried to do, she tried to leave on good terms while making sure everyone would be safe but she didn't count on Nazuna being a bitch. To her it's all Waldecian against invaders. She didn't have any info on Waldecian fighting themselves. call her inrresponsible if you will, for leaving her job unfinished, but she didn't really commit any mistake or made a bad decision. If anything, Asebi's father was the one who brought all this to happen,as waldecians would sleep a much longer time, if he didn't meddle with the pods. Like I said offing the emperor would be a much better choice. I'll be honest here, the author commited an enormous mistake in these last few arcs. He tried to sell that the combat automatons were unbeatable monsters, but all I've seen is that they can be easily beaten by the proper application of waldecian tech, which makes it even more possible for people on Asebi's Father's side to simply choose a few bastards here and there and remove them from existence, while also removing the automatons that would try to prevent that. Yuu beat two of them already on makeshift weapons.

@warpbeast Yes I'll still defend her now. Who do you think she is? A godess?
She CAN'T convince the emperor, he IS the emperor. Now you're just looking for excuses to hate her. 3 seconds of his appearence and he's already shown to be irreductible, no amount of convincing will work on an excessively selfish and egocentric bastard. Once again you're blaming Licorice for the doings of another unrelated person.

@Yanagi
Ayame’s death has been sadly overshadowed by the sheer detest for Licorice. Sigh

And that, boys and girls, you put your oxygen mask before trying to help anyone else.

@JaxunHero I know right, no love for Ayame... Hopefully she's just losing consciousness due to blood lost and there's still time for help.

@Rebelos @BloodySorcerer You guys are forgetting the shield just failed earlier on the trip. And had to have some emergency work done on it, not to mention stuff that happened don the last trip. I know it's still a what if, but it's not as if it's 'unlikley' for the shield to have something go wrong with it. And the stealth shield -is- Waldecian tech, so neither the MC the old man, or his daughter can fix it.

I do understand Licorice did choose her past over the present and that's her choice as well, but also, she didn't have to make a 'choice' in the first place. Granted she was presented with a choice, but the only motive the 'Combat Android' side has to keep them out is "we were told to keep out intruders" Licorice could've made a deal to hold Asebi hostage, peacefully, and have the rest of the group escort her to Brant to put a stop the the plan. (Which would've had a higher chance of success in stopping the plan cause they'd have actually had bargaining chips) But again, I'm not saying she's bad for making that decision, it's a matter of if she makes that decision -again- with all teh info now. Right now it's just a "dick move"

Also, we all seem to forget the major question, what did Asebi lose for her to agree with such a crazy plan to the point as being the lab rat for it ?

People:
licorice deserves a bad end

Me:
NOOO AYAME DIED!?! Why?!? She was like an older Asebi but was the little sister :(

Man fuck Lico.

@shouldsleep That's the problem here, it should've been in the agenda. His plan is wrong from the very beginning. This hypocritical solution of "reintegrating within society" is ridiculous, also the real truth of what has happened in the past has never been fully revealed, so no, Asebi's father is not necessarily in the right. Yes the emperor is scum, and so are other politicians and nobles(if they have nobles), however it's almost impossible for every single one of them to have been involved in what happened to the world. Even in my country which has a lot of corruption there are still quite a few politicians who are innocent and properly trying to help the country. To simply brainwash everyone, it goes to show how much Asebi's father is blinded by hatred. Also like I said there's no such thing as "reintegrating within society", there's a reason why heinous criminals get death penalty, some people are simply incapable of change, otherwise there's also the fact that what the emperor has done is unforgivable, either way, the guy should've been killed regardless of what plan you had for the world.

@WillLi I think TheGTF was talking about ppl commenting things like "Licorice plz die, etc..." when he addressed some comments as ridiculous and not yours.

The part I disagree with you is that she didn't left them for dead she just prioritize her people which is the logical thing to do considering they are in a more dire situation and she share a deeper connection with them. She tried to make the best of a bad situation that's why she left dahlia to help them.

@WillLi I agree, Asebi's father's plan makes no sense. He'd be way more successful in just choosing specific targets such as the emperor(who is confirmed to be living garbage) and removed them from existence and then proceed to take leadership in his own hands, to guarantee control over the other corrupt but less powerful and important people. This would be a solution which wouldn't involve sacrificing numerous innocents for "the greater good". We don't know what happened in the old Waldecian empire exactly, but it's almost impossible for every single one to deserve having their personalities erased or changed by force.

As for this: " It involved a shield that relied on Waldecian tech that only Licorice and Nazuna knew how to fully operate. Both of them left with Licorice. In other words, if that shield failed(which luckily it didn't) during that time, the MC party would've died."
This is too much of a what if scenerio to hold against Licorice, yes it could happen, but it's pretty much the same as entering a plane expecting every single flight to turn into a possible accident. Which is actully a lot less realistic thing to happen. Machines rarely break if properly mantained, and for this they need neither Nazuna nor Licorice, I don't know if you guys remember, but both MC and the old captain's daughter are qualified to fix any part of the ship outside of specific Waldecian tech. Licorice was important because she was much more experienced and talented, but she wasn't really irreplaceable for anything aside from the shields.

@Rebelos @TheGTF You guys are confusing 'evil' with 'bad person' I never said that Licorice ordered Asebi to be killed. I said she 'left them for dead'. Do you guys remember the team's strategy to actually get to Brant? It involved a shield that relied on Waldecian tech that only Licorice and Nazuna knew how to fully operate. Both of them left with Licorice. In other words, if that shield failed(which luckily it didn't) during that time, the MC party would've died. And again whether or not Licorice is bad depends on what she does next chapter, now that she has all the information. Prior to that is was simply her choosing her family over her friends. Which is a dick move, but not 'bad person' material because they're equally weighted.

@shouldsleep Him having all the time in the world to kill him but not thinking about killing him is exactly my issue though. It makes no sense that he -didn't- just come up with eh idea to off the emperor and the people he knew were corrupt. Yes potentially more people are corrupt, and yes he potentially could've got innocents. But his currently plant is guaranteed to 'kill' innocents. All because "They're all on one system so I can't selectively brainwash people" There is literally no narrative reason at the moment for him to not have just downloaded the emperor's brain and killed him by breaking his individual pod.

At least they don't to wrap everything up in one chapter, but ax still feels very sharp.

This is not boding well